AMD barely mentioned their next-gen GPUs, NVIDIA came out swinging right from the start. AMD announced two new models which by their own cryptic slide wouldn't even compete with their current top-end. Then NVIDIA came and announced a 4090-performance GPU for $549...
If that's not just hot hair from NVIDIA, I totally get the business decision from AMD but man, would love some more competition in the higher end.
It depends totally how you define "hot air" in this instance.
Later in the keynote there's a mention how the $549 card achieves the 4090-like rendering performance with DLSS, i.e. not with raw graphics, number crunching horsepower.
Personally? It's a no for me dawg, DLSS unfortunately doesn't actually replace the need for the raw GPGPU crunch.
For the average layman and a consumer? Nvidia will be selling those GPU's like hotcakes.
AMD has strategically decided to abandon the enthusiasts market [0]. Really sad that nvidia's monopoly has got solidified even further. That's one of the reasons I contribute to Apple's MLX instead of CUDA.
"one small step at a time, and one giant leap, together."
I didn't like this part:
5090 for $2000, about $500 more than 4090 when it was announced.
They didn't mention VRAM amount though, and I doubt it's more than 24GB. If Apple M4 Ultra gets close to 1.8 TB/s bandwidth of 5090, it'll crush GeForce once and for all (and for good).
Also nitpick: the opening video said tokens are responsible for all AI, but that only applies to a subset of AI models...
Supposedly, this image of a Inno3D 5090 box leaked, revealing 32GB of VRAM. It seems like the 5090 will be more of a true halo product, given the pricing of the other cards.
Jensen didn't talk about it. Maybe he knows it's embarrassingly low. Everyone knows nvidia won't give us more VRAM to avoid cannibalizing their enterprise products.
I'm not sure what you mean by that? Jensen seemed quite normal in his presentation. Some of the prerecorded video was a bit iffy - "this is how intelligence is made" totally ignoring natural intelligence. Coked up behaviour is more like Will Smith punching Chris Rock.
I thought the synthetic data generation for self driving was interesting https://youtu.be/k82RwXqZHY8?t=4369 I could have used something like that myself for learning flying.
He tried so much to look funny but it didn't look good on him. And at one point he said 4090 is like taking home an equivalent of a $10,000 PC, and he expected the crowd to clap, but no one, literally no one, clapped. Because everyone knows GeForce prices have been monopoly prices for years and 4090 is intentionally crippled by nvidia drivers to be less capable than it really is (see George Hotz in-depth analysis).
To me it seemed like he tried to justify its price as if it were a small part of a $10k setup with lots of RGB lighting but for some reason mainly for watching movies. No one has one just for watching movies, and it's likely more than the rest of the gaming PC build combined. Monitor possibly included.
Someone should tell Mr. Huang that it's not 20 years ago and that their products now cost 2x the amount of all other components in that "pc entertainment system control center" combined. He seems to not know, out-of-touch billionaire as he is.
AMD barely mentioned their next-gen GPUs, NVIDIA came out swinging right from the start. AMD announced two new models which by their own cryptic slide wouldn't even compete with their current top-end. Then NVIDIA came and announced a 4090-performance GPU for $549...
If that's not just hot hair from NVIDIA, I totally get the business decision from AMD but man, would love some more competition in the higher end.
It depends totally how you define "hot air" in this instance. Later in the keynote there's a mention how the $549 card achieves the 4090-like rendering performance with DLSS, i.e. not with raw graphics, number crunching horsepower.
Personally? It's a no for me dawg, DLSS unfortunately doesn't actually replace the need for the raw GPGPU crunch.
For the average layman and a consumer? Nvidia will be selling those GPU's like hotcakes.
> Then NVIDIA came and announced a 4090-performance GPU for $549
Never trust vendor performance claims (these specifically rely on 3x frame generation), and never assume cards will be available at MSRP.
Correct: "Debunking the CUDA Myth Towards GPU-Based AI Systems" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.00210
AMD has strategically decided to abandon the enthusiasts market [0]. Really sad that nvidia's monopoly has got solidified even further. That's one of the reasons I contribute to Apple's MLX instead of CUDA.
0: https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/amd-announces-new-ra...
Update: typical HN behavior. someone is downvoting all my comments one by one...
Someone with a lot of NVIDIA shares, no doubt…
More likely someone holding the AMD bag
edit: confirmed.
I liked this part:
I didn't like this part: They didn't mention VRAM amount though, and I doubt it's more than 24GB. If Apple M4 Ultra gets close to 1.8 TB/s bandwidth of 5090, it'll crush GeForce once and for all (and for good).Also nitpick: the opening video said tokens are responsible for all AI, but that only applies to a subset of AI models...
edit: 32GB is confirmed here https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-serie...
Supposedly, this image of a Inno3D 5090 box leaked, revealing 32GB of VRAM. It seems like the 5090 will be more of a true halo product, given the pricing of the other cards.
https://www.techpowerup.com/330538/first-nvidia-geforce-rtx-...
It's 32GB, that was leaked well before the event.
> If Apple M4 Ultra gets close to 1.8 TB/s bandwidth of 5090
If past trends hold (Ultra = 2x Max) it'll be around 1.1 TB/s, so closer to the 4090.
Jensen didn't talk about it. Maybe he knows it's embarrassingly low. Everyone knows nvidia won't give us more VRAM to avoid cannibalizing their enterprise products.
Must be a lot of adderall and cocaine backstage this year.
I'm not sure what you mean by that? Jensen seemed quite normal in his presentation. Some of the prerecorded video was a bit iffy - "this is how intelligence is made" totally ignoring natural intelligence. Coked up behaviour is more like Will Smith punching Chris Rock.
I thought the synthetic data generation for self driving was interesting https://youtu.be/k82RwXqZHY8?t=4369 I could have used something like that myself for learning flying.
Not sure about that, but resentfulness, arrogance and hubris are more present than ever on HN.
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He tried so much to look funny but it didn't look good on him. And at one point he said 4090 is like taking home an equivalent of a $10,000 PC, and he expected the crowd to clap, but no one, literally no one, clapped. Because everyone knows GeForce prices have been monopoly prices for years and 4090 is intentionally crippled by nvidia drivers to be less capable than it really is (see George Hotz in-depth analysis).
To me it seemed like he tried to justify its price as if it were a small part of a $10k setup with lots of RGB lighting but for some reason mainly for watching movies. No one has one just for watching movies, and it's likely more than the rest of the gaming PC build combined. Monitor possibly included.
Someone should tell Mr. Huang that it's not 20 years ago and that their products now cost 2x the amount of all other components in that "pc entertainment system control center" combined. He seems to not know, out-of-touch billionaire as he is.
Haha. So true. I am writing a program to draw facial geometry and similarity between him and Jackie Chan is too good to be true.
Jensen has noticed also https://www.pcgamer.com/jensen-huang-thinks-jackie-chan-woul...
How is that relevant to anything at all?